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What About The Watsons?

29/9/2018

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​My Watson family ancestors have had me somewhat perplexed, hence to date I have not written of them before.  As a researcher I have witnessed many oddities and irregularities, but I have never had an ancestor rise from the dead before!  Could it be that a simple error of name in a register of deaths has been the brick wall for so many years?
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'Success' Samuel Waller 1881, copyright Tate Gallery, Creative Commons CC-BY-NC-ND (3.0 Unported).
Before now the earliest point of absolute certainty with my Watsons is the marriage after banns of a John Watson to Emma Barber on the 8th January 1870 at St Georges, Camden Hill, in London.  John, aged 26 is recorded as a groom and living in Dorset Cottage, and gives his father’s name as James, occupation Farmer.  Emma, aged 28, of no occupation was living at 7 Stanley Crescent and gave her father’s name as William, a Coachman.   They were both a long way from home with Emma having been born in the December quarter of 1841 in the West Riding of Yorkshire, and John in 1844 in Crawfordjohn, Lanarkshire.  That Emma is my 2x great grandmother is beyond doubt as all the DNA testers in this line of my family have inherited a generous dollop of Barber blood with several strong matches to descendants of her siblings.  The same is not the case with the Watsons, with matches to known descendants of John and Emma being way too small for given their relationships casting doubt over John Watson’s paternity of certainly one of her children, that is until now.  A new match has appeared suggesting that John Watson is both my 2x great grandfather and 2x great uncle through a bigamous marriage to Caroline Smith at Cheltenham in 1866.  Even though John is a bit of a slippery fish I don’t believe this to be the case, the match of only 8 cMs is just way too small to be any closer than 3rd cousin. If I had not seen the link to Crawfordjohn a tiny place in Lanarkshire, I would probably have written the match off as an error in the tree.
​Emma, who suffered a similar rollercoaster of fortunes akin to Thackeray’s Becky Sharpe, was clearly not in a position to be living on her own means at 7 Stanley Crescent.  It is possible she followed her brother Oliver to London, where he was studying to become a surgeon at University College and living in lodgings in Camden Town in the 1871 census, or her brother William a Grenadier Guard and a patient in Rochester Row military hospital the same year.  Indeed all the Barber children forged careers and marriages that would appear to have been somewhat above the station for offspring of a Coachman!  Emma appears to have been the Black Sheep.  Following her marriage to John the couple moved to Newcastle and in 1871 can be found at Seaton Burn House, with their first child James born in December 1870.  John is now Coachman to Joseph Snowball and although he and Emma have a further seven children, it is the last we see of him.  In the 1881 census he has been replaced as the Snowball's coachman by a Thomas Robson and Emma is living with her children in a tenement block in Longbenton, a coachman’s wife and married.  Of John there is no sign but he appears to have died in the subsequent inter-census period as by 1891 Emma and her family are living at 22 Gainsborough Grove and she is described as a widow.  John’s death has not been found to date as there are simply too many possibilities.  Emma is last sighted running letting apartments in Cambridge Avenue on her ‘own account’ in Whitley Bay in 1911.  No date or place of death has been found for her either, as it would appear to have taken place outside of Newcastle and district.
John Watson was born on the 24th of July 1844 and baptised at Crawfordjohn to parents James Watson and his wife Janet Martin.  This has now been confirmed through DNA matches to descendants of Janet Martin's siblings, and others from Janet's maternal Ewart line.  I believe that John Watson husband of Caroline Smith was born in Crawfordjohn in March 1845 to parents John Watson and Jane/Jean Newbigging.  The DNA match would indicate that the two Johns may have been related, the question is how.  
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In 1851 James and Janet are farming 10 acres at Meadowbank, Crawfordjohn.  Between 1851 and 1861 they had moved to Castle Eden in Durham.  Births of subsequent children proved the mother’s maiden name to be Martin whom James had married in February 1844 when obviously pregnant with John.  In 1861, his father James is described as a Countryman and son John a Coachman.  James and Janet had moved to Cullercoats by 1871 with the last known address for James being Coxlodge, Gosforth in 1891. In the 1851 Scottish census James aged 29 gives his place of birth as Sanquhar, Dumfriesshire but no corresponding baptism can be found for him there for the corresponding period.  However, all the children of a John Watson and Mary Renton of Abington were entered in the Crawfordjohn Parish Register en-masse with dates for births but no date or place of baptism is given.
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​This particular family of Watsons had interests in various places in both Lanarkshire, Dumfriesshire and Dalry, Kirkcudbright, so it is highly possible that James was born at Thornhill near Sanquhar in November 1821.  A fact happily supported by the 1841 census for Crawfordjohn which shows James and his mother Mary as not born in the county.  
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​This family is easily identifiable due to twin daughters Elizabeth and Lillias.  However, there is no John, the potential father in law of Caroline Smith!  By 1851 John and Mary had moved to Millmark Farm near Kirkcudbright.  Living next door are John and Jean Watson with a John junior born Crawfordjohn in 1845 and siblings Robert and Mary.  This is the family to which I believe my DNA match’s ancestors descend.  The various family entries for John and Mary dominate over a page, but their son James is not present.  Well he wouldn’t be if he was at Meadowbank in Crawfordjohn, right?   Here comes a double ended spanner:
​On the 24th of February 1852 James Watson son of John Watson farmer of Millmark died!
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Extract from Dalry Register
​The family grave in Wandell and Lamington although the name is no longer legible gives his age as 26. There is something all wrong about this record as the potential birth year of 1825/26 is five years out. James, son of John and Mary was born in 1821, yet no other James or John Watson can be found at Millmark in the 1851 census.  Furthermore, the stones which all lie together in Wandell and Lamington Kirk Yard, indicating it is one family, are obviously badly weathered making many of the details unreadable or incorrect.
​1852 was a bad year for the Watsons in addition to the possible record for James above, John and Mary’s son Thomas died too and was interred at Lamington just 5 days later .  Should the Dalry register have read Thomas and not James? Given his birth date of 10 March 1825, Thomas would have been aged 26 at the time of his death, which would agree with the age given on the headstone.
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Burials at Wandell and Lamington
​John and Mary’s brother in law James and nephew William were also interred together at Lamington in June of the same year:
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Consumption (Tuberculosis) was sadly rife in this family!  It took Welshy a daughter of James Watson and his wife Welsh (also nee Watson) in 1858 and their remaining sons John and James in 1862 and 1868 respectively.

​At the other end of the spanner, James, son of John Watson and Mary Renton of Milbank seems to have made a remarkable recovery from his fatal infliction as he appears as clear as day in his father’s will which was written in 1864!
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​As the will also has a codicil added slightly later if some oversight had occurred it would have been rectified there, but it does not.  As it happens it was Alexander Carmichael Watson who predeceased his father by only a few weeks.  Alexander’s wife Priscilla Bell was a native of Brancepeth in County Durham some 14 miles from Castle Eden, home to John Watson and Janet Martin in 1861.  Alexander and Priscilla had married at Durham in 1862.  Is it possible that they met through his brother James or married sister Lillias who by 1861 was living in Tow Law?  It certainly seems a plausible explanation.  Mary Renton died at Walworth Terrace, Glasgow in 1872.  From the valuation rolls it appears the farm was vacated by 1875 in accordance with John’s last wishes and Priscilla and her boys had returned to her family home in Brancepeth by 1881.  Hoping that David Watson who graduated from Glasgow University as a surgeon in 1863 would hold some further clues, I was frustrated to find he had emigrated to New Zealand in 1870 and his trail has gone cold for now.
​In John Watson’s death record of 1871 his parents are named as James Watson and Elizabeth Barclay, which ties in with the family graves in Wandell and Lamington, the earliest of which belongs to William Watson (1717-1790) and Lillias Simpson (1721 - 1795).  Elizabeth Barclay died in 1835 and husband James Watson in 1843 - he too left a detailed will.  At the time of his death he was residing at Southwood, a farm also associated with William Watson above.  In it he refers to houses and yards in Linton, Peeblesshire (possessed by son John), a house in Thornhill, Dumfriesshire, (possessed by his daughter Alison McCaig) and names his other children as Welshie Watson wife of James Watson of Abington, Lillias Watson wife of Louden Cranstoun in Abington and his youngest son James with whom he is joint tenant of the farms of Castlemain of Crawford and Southwood. Finally, James makes a bequest of £200 to a grandson James Hunter, the son of his deceased daughter Elizabeth.
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​So, 1600 words on and the mystery of the connection between the two John Watsons that sparked this blog has still not been determined.  He cannot be descended from James of Castlemain and Southwood as he died unmarried in 1847.  The most likely candidate is John Watson b. 1759 son of William Watson and Lillias Simpson whose name does not appear on the family headstones at Lamington, but as this line has not yet been traced it is still speculative.  Of course it could be that the small amount of DNA shared with my new match may be in another line altogether and the Watson connection is nothing more than a coincidence and a total red herring.  I sense not but you never know …
(As a footnote to the above, subsequent research has proved the families buried together at Lamington are indeed connected. Working on the theory that the Christian name Welsh or Welshie when given to a Watson was likely to be connected with the family above has also born fruit.  It first appeared against a burial in the family plot of a Welsh Wilson Watson d.1785 the son of William Watson and Lillias Simpson.  To date this theory has proved correct, with all lines leading back to this very couple. It last appeared in a 1924 marriage of a Welsh Watson to a daughter of Janet Watson Dallas nee Newbigging!  This line still needs to be resolved, but may yet prove to be the 'missing link' to the DNA match. It is also interesting to note potential Watson links to the  family of Lamington ​members.ozemail.com.au/~msafier/watson/watson_lamington.html but this too will have to wait until another day!) 
27 Comments
Rosemary Dixon-Smith link
30/9/2018 03:24:11 pm

Thanks for this remarkable post. I would plump for the wrong name being put in the death register. But it isn't very satisfactory, is it?!
10 out of 10 for persistence, though, Susie!

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Gary Dolman link
1/10/2018 09:29:05 am

Absolutely fascinating, Susie. I have been looking for Watsons in Castle Eden for some time, because I have a hypothesis that the Captain Watson who was a good friend of William Darling (of Grace Darling fame), retired from sea to Castle Eden. I await developments here with great interest.

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Susie Douglas
1/10/2018 02:45:28 pm

HI there Rosemary - once again thank you for your lovely comments. Yes, that register - what a mistake to make - despite the other evidence it still leaves nagging doubt. On another subject would love to hear about your Sunderland research - 'The Mackem Bullet' (horse) came 2nd on Saturday too ;-)

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Susie Douglas
1/10/2018 02:57:46 pm

Hello Gary - your ears must have been burning. Bob has just finished reading Satyrs Dance and loved it - cant wait for the next one to hit the shelves. Do let me know more about Captain William - have spent quite a bit of time on this family and if there is anything in my research that would help prove your hypothesis just shout.

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Julie Watson
16/10/2018 05:57:55 pm

So excited to find a possible relation posting so recently. I have traced my ancestry back to the Watson's in Lamington. I am directly descended from them and all my direct ancestors are Watson's all were born in Lanarkshire including myself and my maiden name is Watson. I live in Scotland Please get in touch.

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Susie Douglas
16/10/2018 07:28:07 pm

Hello there Julie. We must compare notes and see if and where we connect. I don't suppose you have been brave enough to spit in a tube in the name of science and have done a DNA test? Depending on the genetic distance it could be a clincher. I find it so difficult to believe that for such a large family there are so few left!

Thank you for getting in touch and look forward to hearing all about your Watsons!

Best wishes

Susie

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Julie Watson
16/10/2018 08:27:53 pm

I have not done a DNA test yet as I could not see the point until I found someone else to compare the results with. I will try to get a sample from my dad too he is in his 80s.
I saw the Watson's of Lamington tree on line several years ago now. The person who put it together has not posted for a while and lives in Australia.
I too find it difficult to believe there are so few Watson's left. I am afraid to report that I have no brothers only sisters.
I am presently bogged down with Watson's in the late 1800's as I have a direct ancestor who married twice but yet to track down his first wife who died and see if there were any children. I cannot even track him down on the census with his second wife to find children from that marriage. There were just so many Watson's in the area and at present trying to find out where there were brick works to see if I can narrow it down a bit more.

Susie Douglas
16/10/2018 10:37:20 pm

There is (potentially) another one - sounding a bit like Star Wars now! It was the DNA match to myself and my mother which sparked the blog. My recommendation would be to test with Ancestry as it has the biggest matching database. However, it has its limitations, but these can be overcome by downloading your results (or Dads even better as he is closer to the source) and uploading into others - often for free.

If you need any help or advice please give me a shout.

Best wishes

Susie Douglas

Robert Watson
16/10/2018 10:55:58 pm

Hello, I am very excited to see the message from Julie. My main aim in tracing my family has been to find a living Watson. I really hope the DNA test shows we are related. I know that my family comes from Lanarkshire. Crawfordjohn is mentioned a lot. Does Julie have a tree I can look at.

Robert Watson

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Julie Watson
17/10/2018 02:52:26 am

Robert, I am descended from :-

James Watson born 1842 SON of John Watson from his second marriage to Janet McDonald see partial tree below and follow this link for the rest.

http://members.ozemail.com.au/~msafier/watson/watson_lamington.html

John Watson had Children by JANET McDONALD:
vii GEORGE WATSON, b. 21 DEC 1834 in Lamington, Lanark, d. 31 OCT 1858 in Lamington, Lanark, buried in Lamington Churchyard Cemetery, occupation Shepherd.
viii JOHN WATSON, b. 7 JUN 1836 in Lamington, Lanarkshire, d. 13 JAN 1871 in Lamington, Lanarkshire, buried in Lamington Churchyard Cemetery.
17. ix THOMAS WATSON b. 17 JUN 1838.
18. x WILLIAM WATSON b. 13 JUN 1840.
xi JAMES WATSON, b. 27 APR 1842 in Lamington, Lanark.
xii ALEXANDER COCHRANE WATSON, b. 11 JUN 1845 in Lamington, Lanark, occupation Gamekeeper.
19. xiii ANDREW WATSON b. 8 DEC 1847.
xiv SOPHIA WATSON, b. 27 AUG 1851 in Lamington, Lanark, d. 17 FEB 1853 in Lamington, Lanark.


Coming back down the tree James Watson married Jane Colthart born Crawfordjohn daughter of Thomas Colthart and Janet Forsyth. But on the tree below there is a Janet and a Jean by that marriage but no Jane. So either the tree has a typo or the registrar wrote Jane instead of Janet or Jean....... http://www.peasantstopuddles.org/colthart.htm.
I am happy that information is almost correct and it is the right family. Working on getting birth marriages and death certificates to complete my own version of my tree.
I admire the work of both above individuals and if the have made a few typos on the way they have still done an excellent job and put in loads of time and effort. I will get back to you soon as I can.

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Julie Watson
17/10/2018 05:25:24 am

Now really really excited because I just found a Robert Watson (son) 27 living with James Watson and Jane Colthart on the 1911 census for Carluke. Jane Colthart born Crawfordjohn, James Watson born Lamington and Robert Watson son born in Carluke. I am also gonna murder my husband because he just jumped the gun went to the 1901 census and stole my thunder...... I think we may have found the rest of the family from the first marriage. Yup, I have hit the motherload.... coal mining for Robert. Step family.... remarriages.... half/bros and sisters all under one roof. Got to get a tree done now. Just as well I work night shift tomorrow cos I have been up all night. OK folks think we need to start PM on facebook on your site

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Robert Watson
25/10/2018 03:30:51 pm

Hi Julie,

It’s really great to have seen your comments on this blog. My ambition has been to find a living Watson and this might possibly be you. I have traced back to John Watson who was born in Crawfordjohn. Hopefully you and your fathers DNA will match with mine.

Regards Robert

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Julie Watson
30/10/2018 06:37:39 am

I would like to see your tree too Robert to see if I can tie it into mine. There have been Watson's in the Parish of Wandel and Lamingon in Lanarkshire since the late 1600s according to the Parish records.There are no birth records for Watson's in Crawford John till 1702. which is a female and first male Watson born Crawford John is 1713. Are you descended from a long line of Robert Watson's or are there other names in your direct ancestry.

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Robert Watson
30/10/2018 07:23:26 am

Hi Julie, It’s best if you take a look at “The Watsons” in Ancestry. It is a public tree. Unfortunately I cannot cut and paste it for you via this blog.
Could I ask you your Facebook name, that would be a communication possibility.

Susie Douglas
30/10/2018 08:14:52 am

Just a word of caution here Julie - the available records for Crawfordjohn only date back to the 1690's whereas W&L are the 1640's. You can find which record sets exist on the Family Search website.

Diane Starr Fanning
29/10/2018 05:17:56 am

I have Watsons in Dedham, Essex to be exact. We haven't known how to tie them to any of the other Watsons in the surrounding towns or counties. I know that occasionally the name is spelled Whatson. I have been in touch with some of the cousins in England and Australia. The primary one who really spurred me to get us all writing back and forth to tie up the newer loose ends has died from cancer and the other one is in poor shape with Parkinsons Disease. If you see any misplaced Watsons from Dedham, Essex; please let me know.

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Susie Douglas
30/10/2018 08:17:10 am

Hi there Diane - how far back have you traced your Watson family? If you have a family tree I could take a quick look at it for you and give you some advice on where to search.

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Robert Watson link
30/12/2018 11:40:38 am

Happy new year to everyone following this Watson story. Hopefully we will find out more in 2019 especially with DNA testing.

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Emily Watson
18/1/2020 03:07:59 pm

What is it with these Watson’s? I have been searching for John Watson, whom we believe was born Oct. 26, 1882 in Lanarkshire, son of Robert Watson and Margaret Wilson.

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Robert watson
18/1/2020 06:26:47 pm

Hello Emily,

My grandfather, great and great great were John Watsons who hailed from Lanarkshire. Has one of your Watson bloodline relatives done a DNA test. It would be interesting to see if we were related.

Robert Watson

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nicola Watson
21/4/2020 06:10:21 pm

Hi Ian trying to find out about my Watson family I know that my great grandad was I'm sure Mathew Watson he had about 5 brothers or sisters one called Jimmy my Watson family lived at that time in springburn then my grandad Peter Watson moved to govan I believe he had a sister ISA and Peggy not to sure who his brothers were . My grandad and my dad was called Peter Watson . Not sure if this is making much sense sorry 🙂

Emily
11/7/2020 04:15:35 am

Hello Robert, I never knew you responded to my post until now. Yes, my father and also my uncle have submitted DNA. I would love to know if there is a relation here.

Kevin Reilly
11/11/2020 12:37:47 pm

William Watson and Lillias Simpson had a son called James in 1767 in Crawford and Leadhills. this is the james who married Liz Barclay.

they also have a son called John, in 1759 in woodend lamington. this is the progenitor of the newbiggings line

robert in 1757, married jean wier in crawfordjohn and had twins boys in 1787, Welsh and William

william 1717, is of the watsons of Overburns in lamington

Gilbert d1670 and Jonet d1680
son John, married 1. grisel laidlaw 1657 she died in 1662. Grisel had a daughter, Jonet, before she married John, it was Johns brother Michael who had the child baptised as John was "under scandal"

john then married 2. Christian Carmicheal (this name reappears with 1835 Alex Carrmicheal Watson, John and Mary Rentons son)

john and Christian Carmicheal have 2 sons, John 1673-1720 and Micheal 16???.

this John who died in 1720, little is known but he did have a son called John 1705-85 m 1744 1704-62 Christine Welsh
and a son called William in 1708.

the william watson 1717 and Lilias Simpson line is descended from an unrecorded ancestor of Gilbert.

another unrecorded ancestor of gilbert is responsable for setting up shop in nearby Easterton about the same time as William 1717. Julie Watson on this thread (my wife) is descended from this Easterton branch.

I hope this helps you make sense of your genetic data, if you are struggling, you could always ask julie, she is, after all, a geneticist :) Genes seem to run in the Watson family :)

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Susie Douglas
11/11/2020 01:36:55 pm

Hi there Kevin

Thank you for your contribution, but am struggling a little to see who it was in reply to - or was it just a general reply to my post? Julie and I have spoken in the past I believe, but I don't think we share any DNA? I too have the line you outline mapped pretty extensively if any family members are interested and as a qualified professional genie can also help folks make sense of their DNA results if required.

Best wishes

Susie

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Jackie
16/1/2022 06:54:03 pm

Hi Susie

I've just come across your website. My maternal grandmother was a Watson born at Leadhills - she was illegitimate so her mother was also a Watson. I've traced my Watson line back to George Watson born 1759 at Leadhills son of John Watson and Janet Jerden (Jardine). George married Jean Otto. The reason I am writing is that I have the book Families of Wanlockhead by H Gilbert Nicol which includes Watsons in the village during the 19th century (there is some info further back). If you don't have a copy of this book I am happy to look up info - for you or anyone else with Watson ancestors. By the way, I have done a DNA test with ancestry.

Best wishes, Jackie

Kevin Reilly
11/11/2020 11:29:52 pm

it was a general comment.

robert and julie watson on this thread need to go back to gilbert watson (d1670 in overburns), it is either one of his children or grand children who is the common ancestor for both of them.

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Rachel
12/10/2022 11:41:06 pm

I am trying to link the relationship from John Watson born 1747 and died 1822 to John Watson, born 1570, who married Barbara Delaval. I have been told they are related. I am having a very difficult time making the connection. Hoping someone is able to help. Thank you in advance.

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